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Is it wrong to make the same wish on two shooting stars?

Friday, July 9th, 2010

One of the nice things about Woods Hole is that there are few enough lights that you can see the stars in the sky. It’s really quite pleas­ant to be out on a moon­less night and see so very many stars scat­tered across the skies.

Sometimes, being in San Francisco, I for­get how nice it is to go for an evening walk through empty, dark streets, with trees to the sides and stars above.

To get back to the tit­u­lar ques­tion, I’ve been see­ing quite a few shoot­ing stars–I think that I’m up to five since get­ting here–and I’ve always liked the tra­di­tion of wish­ing on shoot­ing stars. Being as I am, I don’t really put much merit in wish­ing, except inso­far as plant­ing things in one’s own sub­con­scious can be ben­e­fi­cial, but I also rather enjoy harm­less, mean­ing­less super­sti­tion from time to time. Of course, when things come down to super­sti­tion, eti­quette really takes on a strong role but eti­quettes of super­sti­tion tend to vary greatly. I find, that there are rel­a­tively few things that I would actu­ally want to wish for and that num­ber has already been over­come by the num­ber of shoot­ing stars that I have seen.

Is it poor form to reuse a wish on a new shoot­ing star?

A cute geometry problem

Thursday, March 11th, 2010

I came across a cute geom­e­try prob­lem recently and I would like to pass it along.

Problem Statement
Geometry Problem Diagram
If the sides of the square are of unit length and all curves are cir­cu­lar arcs, what is the area of the high­lighted region?

Although sub­stan­tially eas­ier with the use of cal­cu­lus or trigonom­e­try, this prob­lem can be solved entirely with basic geom­e­try (no weird laws you might have for­got­ten since high school are necessary).

I have derived a geo­met­ric solu­tion, which fol­lows, but I highly rec­om­mend try­ing to do it your­self first.

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Palm Pre tagline: a critique

Wednesday, February 17th, 2010

I keep see­ing the same adver­tise­ment for the Palm Pre on the sides of buses; the adver­tise­ment says: “Life moves fast. Don’t miss a thing.”

I under­stand what they are try­ing to say and it is a very good tagline for what they are try­ing to mar­ket but, when­ever I see it, I can’t help but think that it speaks to a sad fact of our cur­rent culture.

I wish that I could say one thing to every­one that this tagline appeals to: Not every­thing mat­ters. Relax.

Frank Herbert’s deeper meaning

Saturday, May 23rd, 2009

Having just fin­ished Heretics of Dune, I am, once again, wowwed by Frank Herbert’s skill as an author. There exist very pow­er­ful thoughts within his writ­ing that seem to plant them­selves in the psy­che as Leto II planted him­self in the worms of Rakis. As I sit here, I can’t help but react with a desire to bet­ter myself men­tally, phys­i­cally and socially. I feel as though this is a moment of open­ning and from here my choices are to pass through into the chapel per­ilous or step back, allow­ing the doors to close.

As to which path I shall take, I can­not say but it is my great hope that I will have the strength to push forward.

myStress = 0; myEnlightenment += 1;

Thursday, May 21st, 2009

Today, shortly after spend­ing ten or twenty min­utes fol­low­ing a sea tur­tle and lis­ten­ing to another thirty min­utes of the Heretics of Dune audio­book, I found mirac­u­lously that my per­sonal stress lev­els had reached zero. This stress level turns out, as one might sus­pect, to be wholely pleasant.

I am inclined to sus­pect that this state is not dri­ven purely by the vaca­tion; the Dune books tend to put me in a par­tic­u­lar philosophical/spiritual state. In this case, I blame the com­bi­na­tion; that is, I sus­pect that some trig­ger was pushed whilst I was in a recep­tive state.

There exist other aspects to my cur­rent state, which extend beyond a lack of stress to a calm clar­ity. This clar­ity and calm may well be of greater import to me than the pleas­ant lack of stress. The ques­tion that I find arises for me now is, how can I make myself recep­tive and inten­tion­ally self-trigger; this will, hope­fully, serve as a con­tin­ued avenue of self-inquiry in the future.

What makes something alive?

Thursday, August 7th, 2008

I real­ized, this morn­ing, that I objec­tify yeast. Sure I objec­tify meat, veg­eta­bles, trees and, heck, even some peo­ple but, even when I’m doing so, I don’t lose sight of the fact that these things are or were liv­ing beings. Yeast, how­ever, I treat a great deal more like a chem­i­cal or tiny machine. Yeast is some­thing that I add to wort to make beer; sure I need to tem­per­a­ture con­trol it and keep things clean but that’s the case with lots of wet chem­istry. If I didn’t know bet­ter, I might think of yeast as lit­tle more than a cat­a­lyst for con­vert­ing sugar to ethanol and car­bon diox­ide; there are nuances and yeast imparts other pro­cess­ing to the wort but those are minor details. Continued think­ing, com­bined with var­i­ous old thoughts of mine and some of my per­sonal philoso­phies led me to ques­tion the nature of life.

If I could replace yeast with a sin­gle chem­i­cal or mix­ture of a few chem­i­cals that were capa­ble of con­vert­ing wort to beer, would that mix­ture be alive? By most def­i­n­i­tions, prob­a­bly not, but what then makes yeast alive? Is it per­haps that yeast sep­a­rates its innards from the outer world? What if I made mem­brane bub­bles filled with wort-to-beer chem­i­cals that let reac­tants in and prod­ucts out, would that be alive? Perhaps it’s self-replication that makes yeast alive? What if I put nano-machines in the mem­brane bub­ble that were capa­ble of dupli­cat­ing them­selves and the chem­i­cals in the bub­ble as well as increas­ing the bub­ble size and split­ting it in half? Now we’ve prob­a­bly stepped well past the gray area and have either made some­thing that is either alive or nearly impos­si­ble to dis­tin­guish from some­thing alive.

What if we extend our self-replicating ethanol bub­ble notion? Would a self-replicating min­ing robot be alive? Are com­puter worms alive? Is a lathe that can be used to make more lathes like a virus in being almost alive, save for its need of host (lathe oper­a­tor)? If I write a piece of soft­ware that sim­u­lates yeast at an atomic level, is that piece of soft­ware alive?

Of course, already fol­low­ing pathetic and weakly emer­gent hylopathism, I’m of the opin­ion that every exam­ple I’ve given, from enzyme to yeast, from lathe to myself, is alive. My hylo­pathic view of alive­ness, how­ever, is quite at home coex­ist­ing with con­cep­tions of other people’s def­i­n­i­tions of alive­ness in my head. I find that allow­ing con­tra­dic­tory and, pos­si­bly, mutu­ally exclu­sive memes to live side by side in my head makes for some very inter­est­ing phi­los­o­phiz­ing and inter­nal dialogs.

I’m won­der­ing though, Internet, where do you draw your lines? What makes some­thing alive?

Numerology and Synchronicity in Restaurant Stubs

Wednesday, March 26th, 2008

When I see a num­ber or sequence, I have a ten­dency to decon­struct it into other num­bers or sequences; I do this with license plates, addresses, receipt stubs and all other man­ner of things. It is receipt stubs, specif­i­cally from restau­rants that I’d like to take as my dis­cus­sion nucleus today. Yesterday, for the first time, I got a steak and cheese from Theo’s Cheesesteak at the Rincon Center nearby and I hap­pened to be order num­ber 64. Upon see­ing 64, I inter­nally decon­structed it to 2^6 and spent the sub­se­quent few moments think­ing gen­er­ally about pow­ers of two. Today, hav­ing enjoyed yesterday’s cheeses­teak, I decided to get another and went, again, to Theo’s where I, once again, hap­pened to be order num­ber 64. Performing the same decon­struc­tion to 2^6 imme­di­ately reminded me that I had been given 64 yes­ter­day, allow­ing me to note that I had received the same num­ber from the same restau­rant, two days in a row. Coincidence: yes; syn­chronic­ity: I found it mean­ing­ful, so yes; evi­dence for numerol­ogy: oh come on, no.

This par­tic­u­lar syn­chronic­ity got me think­ing philo­soph­i­cally about the nature of sig­nif­i­cance and how we attach mean­ing to things. We humans are pat­tern find­ers, we do it very well and we tend to do it uncon­sciously. Patterns sim­plify the world and allow us to abstract things into eas­ier pieces. Since we use pat­terns to bet­ter under­stand tho world, we tend to do our best to fit things into pat­terns, even if it’s merely a coin­ci­den­tal pat­tern, which is fine because pat­terns do arise spon­ta­neously. People, in my expe­ri­ence, tend to con­flate the exis­tence of a pat­tern with the pres­ence of mean­ing. In the case of num­bers, I believe that the rel­a­tive ease of con­struct­ing arbi­trary pat­terns often leads peo­ple to attach mean­ing to things that are ran­dom in nature. I know that I’m guilty of attach­ing mean­ing where it isn’t due but, at least, I tend to be con­scious of and com­plicit in my misattributions.

The ques­tion now is whether or not I should get a cheeses­teak tomor­row, for pseu­do­science and all.

Programmers all the way up

Monday, January 21st, 2008

If we com­bine the tur­tles all the way down the­ory with a sim­u­lated real­ity the­ory, might we get a pro­gram­mers all the way up theory?

Déjà Senti

Wednesday, December 12th, 2007

I have at many times in my life had brief, déjà vu like expe­ri­ences. A recent, par­tic­u­larly strong one inspired me to read up on the phe­nom­e­non a bit and men­tion the occur­rences. In read­ing through wikipedia, I came across the sub-categories of déjà vu and was struck by how much déjà senti, or ‘already felt,’ sounds like the phe­nom­e­non that I expe­ri­ence. The sen­sa­tion can be described as an uncanny sense of exactly repeat­ing a psy­cho­log­i­cal or emo­tional state, almost as if some­one had recorded my men­tal state at a time in the past and sud­denly loaded it back into my mind. When this hap­pens there is no inter­me­di­ary rem­i­nis­cence that reminds me of a pre­vi­ous state, just a sud­den shift to the old state. Usually, the phe­nom­e­non is very short lived with an equally abrupt shift back leav­ing me with a strong sense of, “woah, what just hap­pened in my mind?!” It’s a very curi­ous and rather pleas­ant expe­ri­ence, but I find myself won­der­ing if any­one else has had a sim­i­lar expe­ri­ence or has them recur­rently, as I do.

Sometimes I am able, after the fact, to recall an instance in which I was in the men­tal state that I shifted to and iden­tify a sim­i­lar­ity to the present, which may be a can­di­date trig­ger stim­u­lus. For exam­ple, the phe­nom­ena appear to have occurred in response to music on a quite a few occa­sions, where a par­tic­u­lar song jumps me into a state that I was in dur­ing a par­tic­u­lar pre­vi­ous time that I lis­tened to that song. These music induced jumps seem to occur more often with some songs than oth­ers but are, by no means, pre­dictable or repeat­able. If such a jump occurs with a given song, it is always to the same state for a given song, which can occa­sion­ally demand press­ing fast for­ward. The times when I am able to iden­tify the trig­ger and orig­i­nal recorded state are the minor­ity; some­times I get one or the other and some­times I get nei­ther. Regardless of how much I am able to con­sciously remem­ber, there is always a strong sense of rec­ol­lec­tion, hence déjà senti.

When I first started to become aware of these déjà senti occur­rences, I fig­ured them for some sort of synes­the­sia, fig­ur­ing that I had some sort of music→emotional cross. This the­ory gained some ground after a dis­cus­sion on the topic of synes­the­sia with my cousin, who has per­fect pitch; sound→color synes­the­sia and perfect-pitch are thought to have pos­si­ble con­nec­tions and genetic trends. However, as I started pay­ing more atten­tion, I came to real­ize that the phe­nom­ena are not iso­lated to audi­tory stim­u­lus and some­times seem to occur with­out any sen­sory stim­u­lus at all. Subsequently, I started con­sid­er­ing the phe­nom­e­non to be a form of déjà vu. Déjà vu being where I left my think­ing until the par­tic­u­larly strong and thor­oughly inex­plic­a­ble occur­rence that led to déjà senti and this post. It feels to me as though my brain may be doing a sim­i­lar thing in the case of déjà senti as in the case of leaps of intu­ition where I am able to feel the answer to a prob­lem long before I can rea­son through the prob­lem. Perhaps the brain is capa­ble of pro­cess­ing infor­ma­tion at a far faster rate than con­scious­ness can fol­low and some­times the brain doesn’t want to wait for con­scious­ness to catch up. Maybe I just need to start giv­ing my brain par­tial credit until it learns how to show its work. Of course, the impa­tient brain the­ory doesn’t explain why some of my end­points are com­plete psychological/emotional states.

A Discontinuous Fear

Thursday, August 9th, 2007

As I have pro­gressed through my life I have become aware of var­i­ous pho­bias that exist in my psy­che. Most of my pho­bias are per­fectly rea­son­able and I’ve man­aged to trace some of them back to child­hood trau­mas that likely seeded them. However, some of my pho­bias are unrea­son­able and totally insane; for exam­ple, I have come to notice that I have a fairly strong fear of tem­po­ral dis­con­ti­nu­ities. What I mean by tem­po­ral dis­con­ti­nu­ities is unno­ticed jumps far for­ward in time, kind of like in the movie Flight of the Navigator. I don’t know where the fear derives from and it’s so thor­oughly implau­si­ble an occur­rence that giv­ing it even a hint of cre­dence is silly but it’s still some­thing that I fear.

Seriously though, I really hope that I never come back from a walk, drive or sail to find my friends and fam­ily had long since given me up for lost and that I must adjust to a world that has changed greatly dur­ing my lost time.

Players, Game and my Disappointment with Humanity

Friday, June 29th, 2007

I have just fin­ished read­ing The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists by Neill Strauss and I can safely say that it was an enlight­en­ing read. I would like to highly rec­om­mend this book to any­one and every­one, women espe­cially. Although the book is, osten­si­bly, an auto­bi­o­graphic nar­ra­tive about one man’s jour­ney into the soci­ety of male pickup artists, it says an awful lot about human nature, inter­ac­tions and frailties.

I found the book enlight­en­ing because it has opened up my per­cep­tion to a new way of look­ing at social inter­ac­tions and manip­u­la­tions. Sadly, since being so enlight­ened, I have seen quite a few exam­ples of how pathet­i­cally weak-willed and eas­ily manip­u­lated peo­ple can be. The Game also has a fair amount of com­men­tary on the robot nature of many people’s social inter­ac­tions. Having recently seen some strong exam­ples of peo­ple giv­ing in to their robotic reac­tions, I find myself very dis­ap­pointed in some peo­ple specif­i­cally and human­ity in gen­eral. It will likely take me a bit of time to re-equilibrate my per­cep­tions and moral­ity but until that hap­pens, I’m going to stick with a gen­eral sense of dis­ap­point­ment for a while.

Dinosaur Comics Helped me Find my Philosophy

Saturday, April 14th, 2007

Dinosaur Panpsychism Explanation I was read­ing Dinosaur Comics, as it is con­sis­tently one of the best comics on the Internet, and T-Rex was explain­ing panpsy­chism. Upon read­ing the first panel (included on the right for copy­right vio­la­tion pur­poses), I found myself think­ing that panpsy­chism sounded an awful lot like my per­sonal phi­los­o­phy of the uni­verse. Poking around wikipedia a bit more, as one is oft want to do, I came across a few other philo­soph­i­cal ideas. I don’t quite accept panpsy­chism, pre­fer­ring the very sim­i­lar hylopathism.

I feel safe describ­ing my per­sonal phi­los­o­phy of the uni­verse as hylopathism with weak emer­gence and an accep­tance of the pathetic fal­lacy. Putting this in sim­pler terms, I believe that every­thing in the uni­verse, from the small­est sub­atomic par­ti­cle to the largest galaxy, is sen­tient, aware of and expe­ri­enc­ing exis­tence in its own way (hylopathism). All sen­tience and aware­ness within so-called higher beings emerges from and may be reduced to the con­stituent sen­tience of lower beings (weak emer­gence). I not only accept but revel in the attri­bu­tion of human char­ac­ter­is­tics and emo­tions onto the inan­i­mate; a small part of me is sad­dened when a rock is split in two because the atoms on the new sur­faces have had their friends torn from them (pathetic fallacy).

I feel that the exten­sion of hylopathism with weak emer­gence is much the same as strong panpsy­chism. The sin­gle mind that unites all things is sim­ply an emer­gent entity com­posed of its sub-entities. To get exis­ten­tial for just a moment, we are all, one and the same within the all-being but, at the same, each our sep­a­rate indi­vid­ual selves; our liver is at once the same entity as our heart and at the same a totally sep­a­rate entity. Have you ever con­sid­ered the sen­tient nature of your liver? How about the sen­tient nature of one of your brain cells? How about the sen­tient nature of one of the hydro­gen ions released into your stom­ach acid? Hydrogen ions are very lonely crea­tures, a sin­gle pro­ton try­ing as hard as it can to find a friend to share elec­trons with (lone­li­ness is the pathetic fal­lacy sneak­ing in).

There you have it, I believe in hylopathism with weak emergence.

Merry Chrishanukkwanzaastice!

Tuesday, December 26th, 2006

I want to share with you a term that my good friend Riad–whom you might also know as Weebles–recently chimerized out of the var­i­ous hol­i­days that pop up around this time of year. The term is Chrishanukkwanzaastice and I am of the opin­ion that it deserves a place with those other hal­lowed hol­i­days (Hanukkah, Crimbo, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Solstice, Christmas, Saturnalia and the like). Anyway, I wanted to share the new hol­i­day with you and thank Weebles for his truly enlight­ened skills of derivation.

Merry Chrishanukkwanzaastice to all!

On Party Social Interactions

Sunday, December 24th, 2006

Earlier this evening I had the oppor­tu­nity to attend a house party hosted by one of my high school class­mates. As with most par­ties of the sort that I have ever attended, the real­ity was that I was mostly out of my ele­ment, though, if you ask me, I think that I did a pretty decent job of fak­ing it. Tonight, though, I made an inter­est­ing obser­va­tion about my own propen­si­ties as regards social inter­ac­tions in such a set­ting; I’d far pre­fer to have one inter­est­ing con­ver­sa­tion over any num­ber of less inter­est­ing ones. I hap­pened to find myself in a con­ver­sa­tion with another one of my high school class­mates at this party who was in a fairly technically/scientifically advanced field. The con­ver­sa­tion began, as many of the evening did, with my half-interestedly ask­ing what she was up to now and her respond­ing and gen­eral cor­dial­ity and what­not. The con­ver­sa­tion con­tin­ued a lit­tle and I found myself gen­uinely inter­ested in what it was that she was up to but the con­ver­sa­tion never really got too far past the generic. I tried, barely really, to steer the con­ver­sa­tion in a direc­tion such that it might involve inter­est­ing tech­ni­cal details but she was hav­ing none of it.

I ask you, Internet, is it unrea­son­able for me to want to have a sci­en­tific con­ver­sa­tion at a house party? Is it weird for me to want to know what some­one is studying/researching to a real extent? Am I a huge nerd?

I don’t think I have the right views on global warming

Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006

I recently came across the trailer for Al Gore’s new movie about global warm­ing, An Inconvenient Truth, so I fig­ured that I might as well watch it and see what’s up. The trailer on it’s own has com­pletely changed my views on global warm­ing but prob­a­bly not for the bet­ter. There was one par­tic­u­lar scene where they were show­ing what would hap­pen to var­i­ous coast­lines if the South Pole melted caus­ing sea level to rise twenty feet and I had the instant thought that when (“if” if you want to be an opti­mist) global warm­ing really kicks in, I’ll have to get a big­ger boat. Seriously, if there’s apoc­a­lyp­tic flood­ing, I’ll just pull a Kevin Costner in Waterworld, except with­out the gills, nau­ti­cal inac­cuara­cies or that whole pariah thing.

Somehow, I think the point was to get me to be scared and start fight­ing against global warm­ing not get me to think about boats. Oops.

A Maturing Party Style

Monday, May 22nd, 2006

I attended a few par­ties thrown by some MIT-folk this week­end and I’ve come to two con­clu­sions; I now under­stand din­ner par­ties and I’m get­ting old. At 3:30a Sunday, when I left a house-warming party, of sorts, that began around 10p Saturday, I found myself think­ing that I’d had rather a good time but it would have been nice if it started closer to 7p or 8p and I’d left closer to 11p or 12a so as to let me get to sleep ear­lier. Get to sleep ear­lier?! I’ve always prided myself on my noc­tur­nal nature and my desire to stay up late social­iz­ing and here I am want­ing to go to sleep ear­lier! Now, the obvi­ous rea­son for this is that I’m chron­i­cally under-sleeping these days and hav­ing to reg­u­larly wake up early. Of course, I don’t like obvi­ous rea­sons, so instead I’ll go with hav­ing been in sim­i­lar sit­u­a­tions before and not wanted to go to sleep ear­lier so I can only assume that I’m, in some ways, grow­ing up, which, inci­den­tally, is lamer than Thor’s goat. I did man­age to get past the non-functional leg aspects of things and think about par­ties from a more prac­ti­cal stand­point, in which it occured to me that it would have been quite nice if such a party started around 5p or 6p involved cock­tails, a meal and more cock­tails; wait, that sounds an awful lot like a din­ner party now doesn’t it.

The obvi­ous thing that I, or you for that mat­ter, can take from this is that some­day in my (or your) life, din­ner and cock­tail par­ties should be run in the vein of col­lege par­ties. Of course, I must add a caveat here; namely, if you like those despi­ca­ble binge drink-a-thons where they serve end­less sup­plies of ter­ri­ble beer and plas­tic bot­tle liquor, don’t run cock­tail par­ties like your col­lege par­ties. Actually, I guess what I’m really say­ing is that the par­ties I’ve attended recently remind me more of the idea of a cock­tail party than of a stereo­typ­i­cal col­lege party and I think that’s a good thing.

Let’s get a clonin’

Thursday, May 11th, 2006

At this point, cloning sci­ence is start­ing to get to the point where we can do some pretty solid stuff. There have been issues as far as cloned ani­mals have decresed life spans but I don’t much con­sider that a big issue, we only need them to be around long enough to breed. If we can clone one gen­er­a­tion and get it to breed a sub­se­quent gen­er­a­tion then that species is back and we’re good to go. This approach wouldn’t work too well for wild species as there’d be no good way to intro­duce them into the wild in suf­fi­cient num­bers to sur­vive but I fig­ure there’re plenty of extinct ani­mals that’d do mighty well in cap­tiv­ity. I’m sure that I could come up with oth­ers, given a bit of time, but here’s a short list of a few ani­mals that I think we should clone back into exis­tence and why:

Dodo Birds: The dodo strikes me as an excel­lent alter­na­tive to chicken. The fact that they were dumb enough to stand around and get killed off by sailor means that they’re prob­a­bly dumb enough to be raised just the same as chick­ens. Additionally, they’re larger than chickens–more turkey sized–and thus able to pro­vide more meat. What is comes down to, really, is that I’ve seen stuffed dodos in muse­ums and I think that the things look like they’d be mighty tasty.

Wooly Mammoths: Ok, ele­phants are totally awe­some; they’re giant, intel­li­gent, hulks, capa­ble of exert­ing incred­i­ble amounts of force and per­form­ing tons of work. Mammoths have pretty much all the advan­tages of ele­phants but they’re also mighty cold tol­er­ant crea­tures because of that whole ice age thing. So basi­cally, what I’m talk­ing about here is hav­ing ele­phants that you could ride around on in the win­ter. How awe­some would it be to spend a week­end in New Hampshire, camp­ing and rid­ing mam­moths around. The mam­moths could carry enough stuff to live in total lux­ury and you could build a shel­ter on their back so that you could be out in harsher weather. I’m imag­in­ing hav­ing a mam­moth gang and rid­ing around the mid­west and Canada, kind of like the Hell’s Angels, but with mammoths.

Pygmy Mammoths and Dwarf Elephants: Ok, hav­ing estab­lished that ele­phant like things are pretty keen, we should remem­ber to bring back the vari­eties that were in the 4–8 foot tall range. Don’t get me wrong, I love dogs; dogs are great, but wouldn’t it be pretty damned sweet to have a lit­tle ele­phant too. I don’t know what I’d do with one, ride it around, just play with it, I don’t know but I think they’d make totally sweet pets.

Dire Wolves: You might be won­der­ing why in the heck, I’d want dire wolves around again and the answer is that I don’t. Why is it on this list, then? Simple, I want to infuse dire wolf genetic mate­r­ial into the mod­ern canine gene pool. I’m really just talk­ing about get­ting some very large canine breed­ing stock. Oh man, imag­ine breed­ing them with huskies and get­ting five foot tall sled dogs. Actually, this could prob­a­bly be accom­plished by breed­ing Timber Wolves with dogs; maybe we should just forgo the cloning and do that.

Elephant Birds: Gigantic flight­less birds and I do mean gigan­tic, some­times >10 feet tall and >½ ton. I don’t really have any good rea­son or domes­ti­ca­ble use for ele­phant birds so let’s just go with because I think they’re neat besides peo­ple could use them for what­ever peo­ple use ostriches and emus for.

A dis­cus­sion of cloning extinct ani­mals because they’re awe­some wouldn’t be com­plete with­out men­tion of dinosaurs so I’ll just say that I agree with Jurassic Park; they are too unman­age­able for zoos right now.